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Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Unholy Eve » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:13 pm

Well it seems that my lovely pc is starting to show its age once again its done well for the past few years taking all the abuse I've given it and more abuse from all the dust it's given me in return.

So just what is Eve looking for, well something fast fancy and will last about 5 years or so.

So far I've been looking at the following bits and pieces:

Motherboard, CPU and RAM

http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-amd-u ... -70ZM.html

For a Power Supply

http://www.dabs.com/products/xfx-750w-b ... refs=50544

The Graphics Card something like

http://www.dabs.com/products/zotac-gefo ... -72MX.html

And Hard Drive for Windows 7

http://www.dabs.com/products/western-di ... 4294951585

Of course any advice is great as I know most of you are better at this sort of thing than lil old me :D

A total of £800 ish is quite good I think but is there any thing else I should look for instead.

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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] LcNessie » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:52 pm

Hm.. Some choices I don't agree with...

The videocard is a Gforce. Ptooei! (washes mouth with green soap) (Well, no, it's not that bad) I think an ATI deliveres better bang for buck as well as absolute bang. They also tend to be far less powerhungry.
The hard disk is a good choice... IF it weren't the only hard disk in your system. I really recommend going for two disks in RAID1. Not RAID0, the performance option, but RAID1, the mirror option. You only need a raptor if you REALLY need the performance. If you REALLY need the performance that bad, you're better off with a solid state disk, not a physical one, even these performers can no longer outperform SSDs, even with random writes (which used to be the big problem not too long ago).

I hope I can persuade you to do take the righteous and just course of action, my young padawan... ( :tease: )
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Unholy Eve » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:29 am

Oh might Nessie lead me on the path of enlightenment :worship:

ATI I havent had one of there cards since I was a lad any suggestions on whats good at the moment ?
If I was to go down the RAID1 route would any half decint drives do and is there anything to leave well alone ?
What about the Motherboard combo does that get the Nessie seal of approval ?


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Postby [FnG] LcNessie » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:29 pm

For about 150 to 175 euros you could install a Radeon HD5750 or HD5770 series, which are decent cards and will play many games at full detail, except the newest ones
For about 300 to 350 euros you could install a Radeon HD5850 or HD5870 which will play most games at full detail except when you demand 3D graphics as in stereoscopic graphics.
The absolute best you can do is HD5970 for 600 euros. Or even two of those in crossfire. This, I would classify as overkill.

I like the Sapphire brand, but there are many known good brands which carry Ati. Asus, XFX, MSI, Sapphire...

I suggested RAID1 because for the price of a couple of decent harddisks you really don't want to be bothered by a surprise dead disk anymore. I have implemented this at my sister's and I have saved myself some major grief 2 times already.
The system halted and reported a dead disk. I sent it to the store, got a new one, plugged it in, the raidset rebuilt itself and all the data on my sister's computer was safe. Not a bit of data was lost.

I would personally go with Western Digital or perhaps Seagate. Even Samsungs aren't necessarily a bad choice. Just make sure you buy two equal drives. (You could actually take two completely mismatched drives, but that's just bad practice. It will work, though...)

The WD series comes in three series, I believe. There's the black, which sacrifice energy efficiency for performance, the blue series, which are the balanced drives, and there's the green series, which trade performance for energy economy. I bought four of the latter for my storage server. I ignored the velociraptor series, which are faster by far, but are also a lot more expensive, and not least, have FAR lower storage capacity. (They only have one 2.5" platter, as opposed to a 3.5" platter. Less surface area to work with)

Hope this sheds some more light on stuff.. It all boils down to how much you're willing to spend.
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Unholy Eve » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:16 pm

Thanks for the info Nessie its good to know.

The good thing is is that moneys not an issue this time around and I'd rather pay more now then shell out for new parts in a years time or so.

After reviewing your suggestions my current selections is as follows :

Motherboard combo pack:

http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-amd-u ... -70ZM.html

Graphics Card - although might go for a HD5870 depending on what the preformance difference is between the 2

http://www.dabs.com/products/sapphire-t ... -6Z0H.html

Hard Drive x2

http://www.dabs.com/products/western-di ... -4PMB.html

Power Supply

http://www.dabs.com/products/xfx-750w-b ... -6CN6.html

Case is a maybe

http://www.dabs.com/products/antec-df85 ... -736Z.html


Again any advice would be great :cheerleader:
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] LcNessie » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:12 pm

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I think you can stick about 200 pounds in your pocket and be completely content with the 5870... The 5970 is a pair of 5870 stuck together anyway. Performance will not double but increase significantly. However, it's a performance increase you probably really don't need... If push comes to shove, you could add an extra 5870 later, and have your own home-built 5970 later on. There's almost no performance difference between two 5870s and a single 5970...

Oh wait... Your motherboard would have to support this option of course. It seems that the one you selected doesn't support crossfire, not in the least because it only has one PCI-E x16 slot...


Second:
Why only 160GB? There are more chunky drives for nearly the same price...
Oh wait! You have selected a (by now we can say) legacy PATA drive... The one with the 40 or 80 wire flatcable. That's ancient geriatric fossile-class history, dude... :mrgreen:

Try this one: http://www.dabs.com/products/western-di ... 1586-50473

Third

The mainboard processor memory combo looks just fine. Geil memory is a brand which has been around for a while, and has a reputation of being decent memory. I don't have any experience with that brand, though. The only possible objection is that the motherboard doesn't support crossfire. But if you don't plan to install two graphics cards anyway, no one can give two hoots about that... Hoot!... See? I can barely give one...

However, if you are looking for a KEWL board, what about this one? :
http://www.dabs.com/products/gigabyte-a ... 7129-50509

And this processor:
http://www.dabs.com/products/amd-phenom ... 0-48640000

And this memory:
http://www.dabs.com/products/kingston-h ... 0-50830000
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Unholy Eve » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:04 pm

As always Nessie your recomendations are so much better than mine I will stick with a single 5870 for now and maybe buy another in the next few years.

Graphics Card: (untill Nessie picks a better one :p)

http://www.dabs.com/products/xfx-ati-ra ... -6Z13.html

Looks like im well on the way to my new rig

Thank you much Nessie :cheerleader:
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] LcNessie » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:40 pm

Remember that the motherboard from your combo package does not support cross-fire setup. The motherboard I suggest at the bottom of my previous post does... I'm not sure you got that part, it doesn't show in your latest response... ;)
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Unholy Eve » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:47 pm

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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] LcNessie » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:24 pm

No remarks from me on the chosen components... Looks good.
You may want to add a SATA DVD rewriter or blue-ray thingy, though. Just to eliminate all the space-hogging flat cables or inflexible rounded cables all together. The former is practically given away as a toy in a box of cereal, the latter is dropping in price by the minute, but still a bit expensive for my taste.
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Unholy Eve » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:33 pm

Cool cheers very much Nessie :thumbup:

I'll give it a bit more thought and a little bit of shopping and hopefully get it ordered sometime soon.

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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Kahbouter » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:28 am

What?? A 'need a new computer' thread in the techno-section and there's nothing of use that I can add to it?? (read: I agree with all the given suggestions :mrgreen: )

Well... there's one thing... :idea: If you don't want to hear your videocard try to cool itself, ever, get this one:
http://www.dabs.com/products/sapphire-technology-ati-radeon-5870-hd-1gb-pci-express-hdmi--vaporx--6N58.html?refs=442020000
The so called reference cooler tend to get loud when it needs to work hard. It's inaudible when it's idle, but gaming with summer temps might cause a rumpus. :P The Vapor-X cooler on the aforementioned card is silent, no matter what.

And the PSU of 750W seems a bit severe. For your current setup a 600-650W PSU could supply you with plenty of power. And the efficiency of most PSU's drops like a stone when the power draw is below, say, 25%, and most efficient at a load of 50 to 80%. Unless you plan on hard overclocking, I would be surprised if your setup of choice would draw more than 300W from the wall socket (that includes the power draw from the PSU itself). So a PSU with a high power rating may not always be the best choice. The one you picked has a great energy efficiency rating, but dang... it's heavy...
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] LcNessie » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:35 am

[FnG] Kahbouter wrote:And the PSU of 750W seems a bit severe. For your current setup a 600-650W PSU could supply you with plenty of power. And the efficiency of most PSU's drops like a stone when the power draw is below, say, 25%, and most efficient at a load of 50 to 80%. Unless you plan on hard overclocking, I would be surprised if your setup of choice would draw more than 300W from the wall socket (that includes the power draw from the PSU itself). So a PSU with a high power rating may not always be the best choice. The one you picked has a great energy efficiency rating, but dang... it's heavy...


Even if he wants to add a second graphics card later on, or even add a 5970 to his 5870? (Yes, you can do that too. You would effectively create a triple-cross-fire 5870 setup) That would be 3x150 Watts for the graphics and another 150 Watts for the rest of the system (rule of thumb) 600 Watts to the number. That would perhaps be cutting it a little close... I think 750 Watts is not too big. I wouldn't go any bigger, though. In that respect Kahbouter is right.
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby aximon » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:53 pm

This is the first time that I noticed this advice in my motherboard’s manual. It seems like Asus wants their customers to be on the über save side ;)
"If you want to use two high-end PCI Express x16 cards, use a PSU with 1000W :FIREdevil: power or above to ensure the system stability."

But I just wanted to add that you should order a cpu cooler, too. Some people are not completely satisfied with the stock cooling by AMD. Something like a Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B might make you a happy camper in the long run.
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Re: Eve Needs a new PC

Postby [FnG] Unholy Eve » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:24 am

A 2 week wait but the shiney new PC is finaly on its way and should be in my hands by tonight :D

Now the question is can do I build up this new toy or play COD and wait till tomorrow hmm...

PS. Thanks aximon I'll see just how loud it gets after a week or so and decide then if to buy one or not, although it does look nice :thumbup:
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