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Dollhouse

Postby [FnG] Rotten_Emu » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:34 pm

Joss Whedon has written and directed a new show, it premiered last week on Fox. I thought it was awesome.

For people who don't know it, here's a short summary (blatantly stolen from the website):
ECHO (Dushku) is an "Active," a member of a highly illegal and underground group of individuals who have had their personalities wiped clean so they can be imprinted with any number of new personas. Hired by the wealthy, powerful and connected, the Actives don't just perform their hired roles, they wholly become -- with mind, personality and physiology -- whomever the client wants or needs them to be. Whether imprinted to be a lover, an assassin, a corporate negotiator or a best friend, the Actives know no other life than the specific engagements they are in at that time.

Confined between missions to a secret facility known as the "Dollhouse," Echo and the other Actives including SIERRA (Dichen Lachman), are assigned engagements by ADELLE DEWITT (Olivia Williams), one of the Dollhouse leaders. After each scenario, Echo, always under the watchful eye of her handler, BOYD LANGTON (Harry Lennix), returns to the mysterious Dollhouse where her thoughts, feelings, experiences and knowledge are erased by TOPHER BRINK (Fran Kranz), the Dollhouse's genius programmer.

Echo acts with no memory of before. Or does she?


It's actually quite a nice premise :) with Joss Whedon in the mix it's sure to be interesting. The show is seperate episodes with an overall plotline progressing through the series. I saw the pilot last week and I'm hooked, I'm wondering what others might think about it, and why.

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Postby [FnG] Lambik » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:27 am

It will be strange to see the same person first being nice, then being horrible followed by being nice again :o . . erhm, no wait . . that is already the case in a avarage soap serie :P

I hope the actors will be convincing enough and not create caricatures of their imprinted personalities.(overacting)

:offtopic: I read that Joss Whedon also wrote 'Buffy the vampire slayer', which was good fun to watch, also liked the spin-off 'Angel' (but that could have been Charisma Carpenters fault :roll: )

When will the serie hit the dutch television ?

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Postby [FnG] Rotten_Emu » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:17 pm

[FnG] Lambik wrote:When will the serie hit the dutch television ?


Depending on how good it does on US TV, I reckon about half a year to a year. Heroes was a rather succesful and thus hit the dutch TV after only 5 to 6 months. Same goes for The Mentalist. Knowing that FOX placed Dollhouse on the friday night 'suicide'-slot there is also the chance that they won't even broadcast the 11 Episodes they ordered off Whedon.

Let's just hope they don't pull a Firefly on us (well at least the movie will be good).

[FnG] Lambik wrote:I read that Joss Whedon also wrote 'Buffy the vampire slayer', which was good fun to watch, also liked the spin-off 'Angel'


:offtopic: While it is true that in the mainstream media Whedon would be most famous for his series Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and Angel he gathered a rather big following online with one of the first truly succesful internet series (knowing Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long-blog). Also his series Firefly (of the forementioned manouver) was cancelled by fox after 11 episodes, they had made 14 episodes which then became the best selling DVD-series in the FOX store.
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Postby [FnG] Kahbouter » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:09 am

So the main question is... Will the series have more episodes than this thread will have posts? :crazy:

j/k :mrgreen:


Still enjoying Firefly, so at the next computer club I will pick up the Dollhouse episodes. Who can resist a series featuring Eliza Dushku?
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Postby [FnG] Marksman » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:43 am

Yep, I'm also a Whedon fan. :cavalry:

I've always enjoyed how his series can contain a heart-rending storyline at the same time as gripping drama and a hearty smattering of comedy; I do concur that the man is a very talented writer/director indeed. This looks good, thanks for the alert, Emu. :thumbup:
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Postby [FnG] 7uh » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:02 am

I saw one episode, and I have to say, Whedon's been trending downward in my opinion.

Buffy > Angel > Firefly > Dollhouse. IMHO, of course.

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Postby [FnG] Rotten_Emu » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:16 pm

[FnG] 7uh wrote:Buffy > Angel > Firefly > Dollhouse. IMHO, of course.


I'm going to have to differ on that opinion. Firefly's characters and stories were much more fullfilling than Buffy and Angel ever were. The only reason it isn't high on many lists (even though it's one of the best selling FOX Series on DVD) is because of the "half season" they were ever allowed to make. But with Serenity Whedon at least tries to bring some closure to it all. The Firefox/Serenity combination certainly tops my list of Whedon's work.

Then again something has to be said about the pure stroke of genious he created and called "Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long Blog". The DVD is out now, with a special (never before seen) feature called "Director's Commentary - The Musical". So that would definately take second spot in my Whedon list, even though it's not a TV series. There is buzz about a sequal to this, something I'd talk him out of if he would listen to me...

I was a fan of the Buffy/Angel 'universe' but the storylines became a bit stale after a while (although one can't get around the best episode of a series ever from Buffy, talking about 'One more with feeling' here). Sometimes it seemed that Buffy died every other episode only to come back after. Last season (or so) they had a whole army of potential slayers... which was kind of overdoing it, although Eliza Dushku did play the Evil Wash Out Slayer, which was fun :P. So Buffy/Angel ranks below Firefox/Serenity and Dr. Horrible imo.

Now there's Dollhouse, a series many are hessitant to commit to (with all the kicking and screaming from Whedon fans that are paranoid about the spot in which it's broadcast, the Friday Night slot, after a series that's been 'on the bubble' for the past 1 and a half season). The Characters are relatable, even though the main character has a different personality for most part of every episode. I think there is good chemistry, even though the real Whedonesque characters are somewhat lacking (there is however a LOT of potential for them develloping). I'd definately say it has already matched Buffy and Angel in quality and has the potential to become so much more. I'm also quite sure that Whedon will never be able to get past the legacy and legend he created about himself with creating Firefly.

In other words, Firefly/Serenity > Dr Horrible > Dollhouse > Buffy/Angel (with some argumentation :wink: )
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Re: Dollhouse

Postby [FnG] Da Kril » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:47 pm

Gotta agree with the scruffy bird on "Firefly," Zuh — it's f**kin' awesome, up and down, front and back. If it hadn't been shelved in mid-sentence by fool suits at Fox, i'd wager it would be my favorite TV series. The Firelfly movie (Serenity), however, did not work well, but the series is so good it hurts.

I haven't watched any "Dollhouse" yet, but I'm intrigued by the premise, and will look into the series via Hulu or iTunes to see what's what.

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Re: Dollhouse

Postby [FnG] Da Kril » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:44 pm

Wow, must give Zuh his props — he called Dollhouse right. :worship: It's really not very good.


While Buffy and Firefly were crazy fantasy worlds, they still had lots of sharp, witty dialogue, an intriguing set of characters to follow (the Scoobies in Buffy and the extended-family crew in Firefly), and an internal 'logic' that made them credible. Dollhouse is missing these essential "Whedon" features.

Our hero is basically a cypher — a vapid, dry-erase board you can't relate to, who only becomes "lifelike" when she's prostituted out or otherwise abused by 'clients.' Um, yuck. Frankly, the concept's sheer immorality is kind of off-putting.

I get why Eliza Dushku took on this project — the idea of playing completely different characters each week must be appealing for an actor (I notice she's a producer, also). But the premise is so illogical, it feels like being slapped in the face with a wet fish. WHY would the programmed Actives agree to lay back down in the (crappy-looking) brain-erase chair, anyway? "Did I fall asleep?" "No, you're so f***in' stupid we don't care what happens to you."

This snippet from a Miami Herald review sums it up really well, for me:
“...Echo and her fellow operatives, known as Actives, work for a nameless company that specializes in tasks that are thuggish, seamy or both. Blackmailed into their jobs for past indiscretions, they allow their ruthless bosses to erase their personalities and reprogram them with new skills, memories and even languages for each assignment. But there are threats on the horizon -- rumors of the company's activities have reached a relentless FBI agent, and wisps of old memories are awakening something in Echo.

To the extent this sounds interesting, it isn't: Half the dialogue seems to have been written for barking dogs, the other half for mewling kittens, and the cast performs accordingly.

And to the extent it sounds absurdly contrived, it is: In the opening episode, Echo is programmed as a kidnapping-and-ransom specialist whose job is to negotiate the return of a millionaire's abducted child without involving the police. The obvious question is, why not just hire a real kidnapping-and-ransom specialist from a security company, which would be a lot cheaper and less complicated than reprogramming the brain of some random young woman? And when you're giving her a new personality, why include neuroses that will practically guarantee she breaks down at a crucial moment?”



Even though Dollhouse is a bit too preposterous for me, Firefly still rules, :thumbup:
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Postby [FnG] Rotten_Emu » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:41 pm

If you were to look any episodes past the first two you'd realise that the show is so much more than walking etch-a-sketch'es. I know the reviewer probably doesn't have enough time to do that, so it's understandable that he focuses on the pilot episode solely. The setting of it all is a bit more sinister than you'd normally have in the Whedon-verse (even though Firefly and Buffy pretend to have dark backdrops all the characters are jolly and happy to be where they are... in the end). As with everything I know that it doesn't have to grow on you, because things having to grow on you just weren't good enough to start with. I am very much enjoying this show for it's relentless character (however odd that might seem with characters that don't have memories). It's pretty much a "OMG-You-did-not-just-do-that" experience for me. The characters do grow on you, especially the naïve and fragile Dolls. Topher gets better (ie. less annoying), you can relate to the FBI agent and the Doctor and the Boss-lady is just cold hearted and yet...

It's good that you at least gave it a try, I hope this series goes on to boggle my mind for a long time. Because other series, that seemed so spectacular and awesome in the initial pilot episode have plummited out of the sky... (Yes, that was Heroes I was referencing).
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Postby [FnG] Hanno » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:33 pm

[FnG] 7uh wrote:I saw one episode, and I have to say, Whedon's been trending downward in my opinion.

Buffy > Angel > Firefly > Dollhouse. IMHO, of course.




Nah I think Firefly > Angel >Buffy > Dollhouse
But I found Firefly the series better than the film.
I dont really feel any connection to Dollhouse, Ill watch it if theres nowt else on.
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