Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FDG]Sundae » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14 pm

Oh, based on the current vote-count, the margin of victory (204 votes) is 0.014%. Holy moly.

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Torgo 3000 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:24 pm

Being so close to the situation, I've also forgotten that Kloppenburg was polling 30% less than Prosser 2 months ago. Just getting to 50/50 on virtually no budget, against billionaires, is really a miracle on an almost Egyptian scale. I'm forgetting about that. No reason for me to be depressed at all (except that even now, 2/3 of cheeseheads didn't vote at all).

Found out yesterday that a recall is automatically triggered in Wisconsin when the margin is less than 1%, so the Prosser People won't even have to go through the formality.

Also on further thought - I believe that there was little or no fraud in this election. If there had been, then the fraudsters ought to have made dang sure they won ... not just cheat enough to make it this close. Unless, of course, the operatives were just so new at their game that they dropped the ball somewhere. But that would be tantamount to committing a blatant foul that didn't prevent a decent shot - and both sides would boo a foul like that.

IMHO, YMMV, ViW.

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FDG]Sundae » Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:00 am

Oh look at that, a random precinct in Waukesha failed to get reported, giving a free +7,100 votes to Prosser.

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Torgo 3000 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:00 am

[FDG]Sundae wrote:Oh look at that, a random precinct in Waukesha failed to get reported, giving a free +7,100 votes to Prosser.


Who could have seen THAT coming?

Of course, it could be legit. On the other hand, here's some background on the operative:

Wisconsin State Journal and the AP wrote:Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said the votes weren’t reported to The Associated Press on Tuesday due to “human error.”

“This is not a case of extra votes or extra ballots being found,” she said. “This is human error, which I apologize for.”

The missing numbers were all from the city of Brookfield, Nickolaus said. Nickolaus said she discovered the error Wednesday. Apparently, she said, she entered the numbers into the system but failed to hit “save.”

“I came in to upload the information into the file for the statewide canvas,” she said. “When I opened it up it had all the city of Brookfield fields and columns and I saw there were zeroes.”

She said the mistake occurred on the “day-to-day system” she uses in her office and has “nothing to do with the election software or system at all.”

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Nickolaus has come under scrutiny before.

Last year, county officials raised objections to her practice of storing election data off the county’s computer network, instead keeping it on computers in her office, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.

The practice prevented the county’s information technology specialists from verifying that the system was secure from failing, the county’s director of administration said at the time. Auditors later recommended that Nickolaus improve security and backup procedures.

In 2001, Nickolaus was granted immunity to testify about her role as a computer analyst for the Assembly Republican Caucus, then under investigation — along with the Senate Republican Caucus and the Democratic caucuses for both houses — for using state resources to secretly run campaigns.

Nickolaus, a seven-year employee of the ARC, headed up an effort to develop a computer program that averaged the performance of Republicans in statewide races by ward.


Source.

How the heck someone like that could be let within a mile of someone else's ballot, I dunno. But so it goes.

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FDG]Sundae » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:11 am

Honestly, what I'm seeing so far makes it sound likely to be legitimate. :( The timing is horrible and sketchy as hell, but the numbers are lining up very well for it being legit.

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FDG]Sundae » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:23 pm

Actually, the numbers might not be legit at all...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/1 ... ck-to-2004

Kos diary, but the numbers are cited and linked from state sites. Have you seen anything about these, Torgo?

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Torgo 3000 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:09 am

I hadn't seen that, but I saw that more votes were counted for governor (I think) than ballots were cast in Waukesha county in 2006. Same county clerk.

At this point, enough info has come out that it's fairly easy to see what went on. The problem is that enough people like it this way, and so the fudged (begging your pardon, of course) result will probably stand. The GOP justice dept in Wisconsin will fight to keep the dirty Waukesha result, and although Tammy Baldwin, Dem representative to Washington, called for a Fed investigation, the Obama administration is so conciliatory that I can't imagine Holder would want to appear to advocate overturning the bad election for fear of being called partisan. So what's left? A private lawsuit? By now, there's no evidence of shenanigans left anyway, I'll bet. The tracks have been covered, and the ballots are already disposed of. The county clerk had to pull the Brookfield ballots out of a recycling bin last week when a meeting was called to review them. By now they're probably shredded, burned, shot, poisoned and hung.

Aaron McGruder, the guy who drew the Boondocks comic strip, said in a speech that if the Republicans made a statement that the Democrats were terrorists, the Democrats would vote to bomb themselves. Sometimes it seems to me they're happier out of power than in. I say with friends like them, who needs enemas? (Of course, I'm painting with too broad of a brush for the sake of repeating a bad joke.)

I dunno. Maybe there's still hope. Some folks are doing good things, pointing out that if we keep going this way, we'll get what we want: a public sphere so small we'll look like Somalia. Maybe that'll sink in. I dunno.
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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FDG]Sundae » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:42 am

5th recall petition to be filed this week. Awesome. :)

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Torgo 3000 » Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:55 pm

Yup - the 5th one was for Alberta Darling, my senator. I was out canvassing for that effort a few times. The rally to officially announce was today at noon; unfortunately I'm working.

We got 150% of the required signatures.

The last 3 remaining recall efforts should be finishing up in the next couple three weeks. 3 of those 8 seats need to flip, and then Wisconsin can hopefully stop the bleeding, for now. The Kochs get unlimited retries, though. Already the Koch'ed up billboards and snailmail spam has started up, telling us how much Alberta Darling loves us, and only punishing us because it's what's good for us. I'm afraid too many people are going to believe that crap; but other GOP senators are almost certain to go down, so at least Darling's office will get a downgrade if she survives.

Meanwhile, back at the Supreme Court, Kloppenburg officially called for a recount, and specifically for an investigation of the Waukesha county clerk's office. The GOP is going to have to get more sophisticated in their efforts, after that rock gets turned over and exposed to daylight. But it will probably cost about $10M for lawyers, and Kloppenburg doesn't have a billionaire patron, so she's really sticking her neck out for Democracy. My hero.
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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FDG]Sundae » Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:01 pm

I suggest you add the word "kochroaches" into your vocabulary. I saw that one in a news comment and liked it. :)

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Torgo 3000 » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:25 am

Kochroaches. Kochroaches. Kochroaches. There. Now it's mine.
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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Torgo 3000 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:54 pm

Some of the Kochroaches are running for cover. Alberta Darling is starting her recall campaign by claiming to be an independent moderate alternative to Walker. Hee hee ... Funny stuff.

Meanwhile, one of the recall organizations put out this video.
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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Nihilist » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:17 am

[FnG] Da Kril wrote:My sympathies, empathy and condolences as well, to both Torgo and any other Wisconsin FnGers.
(you out there, Nihilist?)


Most definitely not... ;)

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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Torgo 3000 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:21 am

Nihilist!! Hello hello, and WB!

I have nine words for you: Guild Wars 2.
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Re: Breaking my promise — Wisconsin legislative crisis

Postby [FnG] Nihilist » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:55 am

I'm sure your nine words are amazingly awesome, but unfortunately I can't read.

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